Comments on Yes The Truth Hurts: Re: 1500 Marines

Newbie33, these are good questions to which I have...

2009-07-22T13:10:34.752-06:00

Newbie33, these are good questions to which I have no good answers, LOL. I was under a deadline to submit the list, I couldn't decide, and in the end I didn't think it through.

I was planning to use scouts either as a retinue for MotF or as an alpha strike force. I gave them additional cc weapons because I figured that with BS3 sniper rifles they wouldn't do shit. I chose Heavy Bolter for the same reason-- BS3 missile launcher ain't that great.

Now if I get to go first and there is a target worth sacrificing the scouts for, I may just do that. They have a flamer to burn infantry, are sort of assaulty, and the Sarge has meltabombs for alpha strike tank busting.

Now, I had three games so far with that list, and I think I killed only two Plague Marines and stunned a Dreadnought with MotF and scouts combined (so far I always used them as a MotF retinue). I had couple 42"+ shots at a Predator but I always managed to roll a 1 or 2 and didn't even penetrate. And with the Dreadnought I had 42"+ shot, penetrated, but rolled 1 for damage.

So far total waste. But the cup ain't over yet.

I'm curious about how you use the Scouts. They se...

2009-07-22T10:59:44.726-06:00

I'm curious about how you use the Scouts. They seem like an ambush force/area denial piece, but I'm not sure about the heavy bolter with the scout troops. Do you take shots with it as the opportunity presents itself? Why the combi-flamer instead of a combi-melta? Even with the flamer I can't imagine that they take on too much in HTH, wouldn't a combi-melta and the squad in cover prevent vehicles from coming too close? If you could move through cover and fire the combi-melta it would mean that no vehicles would come within 10" or so of the scouts, and with the camo cloaks they could be sitting in 2+ saves most of the game, right?

Jimmy, thanks for your tips. Sorry I couldn't get...

2009-07-16T06:25:10.379-06:00

Jimmy, thanks for your tips. Sorry I couldn't get to reply to this earlier. I actually sent one email to Stelek, then when I became more saavy with Marines and when realized that you're the on-site Marine expert (and with the 1500 tourney coming that Virus mentioned), I sent one to you.

Now that I finished assembling my 1500 point army for the tourney, I will get more practice and I'll see in practice how Marines really work. In few practice games I had so far, I tried splitting tac squads into combat squads with Razorbacks, but I didn't like it. In order to use those juicy weapons, you have to get out of the transport, which is not a good idea. But the main problem is that the heavy weapons half is stationary and if the enemy is smart you'll never draw a clear LOS to his units. I played one game with rhinos and liked it much better with the ability to fire from the hatch and if necessary to disembark and bring the rapid fire goodness of the entire squad on the enemy.

List I'm running for the tourney is:

MotF with conv beamer
5 scouts (camo cloaks, sarge with combi-flamer + melta bombs, heavy bolter, and 3x pistol + CC weapon)
2x tac squad (MM, MG, combi-flamer, melta bombs, rhino)
3x Dread (MM, HF)
3x Land Speeder (MM, HF)
3x Predator (AC, HB)

I'll let you know how it goes.

In the future, I think I'll try Vulkan out. I'm using a shitload of meltas and flamers, so may as well make them twin linked.

Ixitxachitl, MM turrets are awesome, but I think though I'll try them with flamer/combi-flamer, especially with Vulkan.

Brian, I got two razorbacks and one Immolator (for heavy flamer and MM bits). Razorback is like $5 more than a rhino and you get extra weapons (and with them options). The same goes foir Immolator. Planning to get one more Immolator just for those bits.

Virus, you're exagerating. It's every other day, LOL.

Oh he already had the Razorback models and he chan...

2009-07-15T22:45:08.537-06:00

Oh he already had the Razorback models and he changes his list on a daily basis =P. At least I got him to pick a list for our local 1500 tournament.

If you are starting from scratch, buy the razorbac...

2009-07-15T13:20:27.017-06:00

If you are starting from scratch, buy the razorback models. You can model them so they can easily be switched back and forth from rhino to razorback.

Rhinos are probably a better unit, but razorbacks are really fun to play with in friendlier games.

I usually bring Telion + 2 Tacticals at 1500 and u...

2009-07-15T11:59:23.569-06:00

I usually bring Telion + 2 Tacticals at 1500 and use the extra points to pick up combi-meltas for the Sgts and such. If you're in a rhino, being able to drive up and for one turn put out two Melta shots can be a big boon.

I think at 1500 mine looked like...

MoTF with Beamer

3x MM dreads
3x MM/HF Speeders
2x Tacs with Melta/ML in Razorbacks and combi-meta on Sgts
Telion +4 Scouts (cloaks, snipers, HB)
3x AC/HB Predators

I prefer Rhinos to RBs but I wanted to give them a try and they worked pretty well. The thing I missed the most was playing MM-Turret after zipping out into the midfield, but two MLs in the backfield did some decent work as there was plenty of light armor for them to go after.